The Inequality Of Divine Communication

This is a difficult post to write, and for some, it will be a difficult post to read. Let me say that I am choosing my words carefully here, and it is not my intent to insult or upset anyone (as far as I can prevent that), nor to establish myself as some kind of authority. As with everything else in this blog, these are my thoughts and ruminations. Your mileage may vary.

Recently, I’ve been approached by a number of people who, having read my writings and those of some of my colleagues in the spiritwork and Northern Tradition/Norse Pagan demographics, have become frustrated because the gods do not speak to them, too. They have set up altars and shrines, prayed, made offerings. They have tried hard to please the gods, tried to be sincere in their approach to the Holy Ones, and yet, for all their efforts, they receive only silence. The gods do not speak to them, the way that Loki and Hela speak to me. This often makes them feel rejected and hurt, and they come to me asking what they might be doing wrong, and if there is anything they can do to get a response from the gods they desperately want to hear.

The answer is no. There isn’t. There is nothing that guarantees anybody, no matter how faithful or observant, that the gods will reveal Themselves directly and speak to the believer. There is no way to make Loki or Odin or Sekhmet or Cerridwen or any other god or goddess respond, if that deity is not inclined to do so. The painful fact is that the gods do not treat all of us equally, in this sense. And I hate to tell people this when they contact me, asking why nothing they do seems to make a difference. I’ll be the first to admit that it seems unfair. I hate to even write about it, partly because I remember what it was like to be in this position, and partly because I am keenly aware of my relative privilege as someone who does hear the voices of the Holy Ones, when it pleases Them to speak to me.

That’s the key: when it pleases Them. As a hard polytheist who believes that these holy powers are living, conscious entities with wills and personalities of Their own, one of the hardest facts for me to accept has been that the gods do not play by our rules or acede to our sense of fairness when it comes to dealing with those who honor Them. We do all have the right to our own beliefs, but we do not have the right to have the universe reinforce those beliefs whenever we wish, nor to be treated equally by the objects of our devotion. They decide to whom They will speak. They decide whose prayers They will answer. They decide who will or will not belong to Them (note: this is not the same as deciding who may honor Them). The gods decide these things according to standards to which neither I nor any other human is privy. That’s how it is.

However, it is possible to make some educated guesses. based on my own experience and that of others I know who are in the same position, as to why the gods do not speak to all of us who wish it:

Not everyone is capable of hearing Them. This may come as an unpleasant shock for Pagans who are used to thinking of magic and spiritwork as a level playing field — but again, the freedom to practice one’s own religion does not likewise grant the ability to excel at every aspect of it. From what I can tell, the ability to see, hear, or otherwise perceive noncorporeal entities with one’s own senses is a talent with which people are born, rather than something anybody can do merely by virtue of desiring to do so. Whether or not you can do this has nothing to do with your value as a person or as a devotee. It’s more akin to having the ability to draw well, or to compete at an Olympic sport — if you haven’t got the raw talent, there is only so much you can do. And not even the gods, it seems, can always find a way to work around it when someone hasn’t got what my friend Raven semi-humorously calls a “god phone.”

Personally, I think this is the single most common reason why people cannot perceive Them in more than the vaguest of ways. It’s nothing to be ashamed over, and as I said, it is no reflection on the worthiness of the person in question. Also, having the gift doesn’t guarantee that a person will correctly interpret what they perceive, nor does it free one from self-delusion or doubt. Mental health and personal issues can get in the way of one’s “signal clarity,” as can stress, intense emotions, or illness. What being able to hear the gods and spirits does do is allow those of us with this gift an edge in our pursuit of religious and spiritual goals — but it does not automatically make us better, wiser, more valuable human beings, nor does it grant us the right to judge other people’s relationships with the Holy Ones. Anybody who says otherwise can expect an earful from me.

Sometimes, we are not a good fit for the god or goddess in question. I haven’t always been conscious of belonging to Loki. In fact, for reasons which still aren’t entirely clear to me, I spent a decade and a half searching for a patron/matron goddess and not finding one, unaware that I had already been chosen. That didn’t make my sense of frustration and rejection any easier to deal with. Nor did I get much of a response from the gods to whom I petitioned myself, at that time.  There are several deities to whom I would gladly have dedicated myself, if I’d gotten any encouragement; ironically, neither Loki nor any of the other Norse gods was even a consideration. However, I was not meant for any of Those I petitioned, as it turned out.

Getting nothing but silence from a deity might only indicate that S/He is not the right deity for you. If we accept that the gods are self-aware and have Their own standards, we must also accept that They probably know better than we do if a person is likely to benefit from serving Them closely, or is able to benefit the deity as S/He wishes. Again, this is not necessarily a question of merit. Not all gods are for all people. One of the cool things about polytheism is that we do not have to have intense, personal relationships with the entirety of our pantheon. We can choose, or be chosen by, the god(s) that best suit us and our place in the world, and so long as we pay proper respect to to the rest, nobody is going to be smited for not being best buddies with every single divine being from their tradition. There simply aren’t enough hours in the day to do that, for one thing. So if there is nothing but silence in response to your entreaties, it may be that you are seeking a response from the wrong deity, at least at this point in time.

I don’t know what makes the gods respond to some people and not others, leaving aside the “god phone” issue. But just being interested in or feeling drawn towards a particular god or goddess doesn’t necessarily mean that you are Theirs. That’s not to say that your worship and sincere adoration will be spurned outright, but it may be that it’s better for you to focus that on Someone else. Have you been getting strange signs or omens that don’t seem to have anything to do with what or Whom you’ve been asking? Do you keep running across references to a particular god/dess or tradition that you think doesn’t have anything to do with you? Think again — it might be that another deity is trying to get your attention.

There is also the possibility that now is not the right time to approach that deity. The direct influence of a god in one’s life is not a trivial thing. Those who are struggling with family or relationship problems, mental or physical health concerns, instability in their job or living situation, or perhaps just the usual turbulence of adolescence or other life passages, may need to get their life in order before the relationship they seek with the god/dess is even possible, much less a good idea. Loki, in particular, has a way of affecting people’s lives as if a bomb has gone off, blowing up anything too weak or unstable to withstand the force, but this might be said of just about any deity, regardless of Their reputation. The gods are awesome and powerful, and being closer to Them will affect you in ways you cannot necessarily predict or control. This should be remembered by anybody seeking to cultivate an intense spiritual closeness to Them. And there is nothing wrong or dishonorable with deciding that that level of closeness isn’t for you, and you’d prefer to revere Them from further away.

It may be part of your wyrd to go things alone. This might be the roughest circumstance of all for a sincere seeker to accept, but it so happens that some of us, even some of those with the gift of perceiving the unseen, are required to face life and learn to be religious people without any contact with the gods we honor. There could be a number of reasons for this; it’s entirely dependent on the individual’s circumstances, but in general, I’d say it’s likely that whatever the person needs to learn in this lifetime has to be learned on their own, without the influence or aid of the gods. This may come as a relief to some and be terribly devastating to others. I myself was prepared to face life in this way, having at last resigned myself to the idea that the gods simply were not interested in me, when Loki serendipitously came to me and informed me that I was His.

Honestly, there are advantages to not being on any deity’s radar, so to speak. Those of us who do hear from the gods might get told things we don’t want to hear, like “I want you to do this incredibly inconvenient and upsetting thing for me,” or “I forbid you from doing this cool thing you want to do because…” If you are not beholden to anybody else except possibly your ancestral line, spiritually speaking, you are free to make your own choices. You can mindfully place your devotional energies wherever your heart leads you, knowing that even if you cannot rely on the gods’ influence, your words of praise are heard (more on this below.) You can forge your own path. It’s ironic that many of those who are beholden to the gods long for more freedom, while many of those who aren’t long for the surety of knowing that they are heard, but as the saying goes, the grass on the other side of the fence always looks greener.

However, where the gods are concerned, as with humans, nothing is forever unchanging. This applies to everything I’ve said above. I’m not going to say that it isn’t possible that one day, you may wake up with the ability to hear the voices of the Holy Ones. I’m not going to say that, after years of silence, you won’t get the answers you’ve faithfully pursued for all that time. I’m not going to say that the gods never choose those who ask outright, or that I or anybody else gets to decide who is and isn’t suited to Their worship. They have the ability to change Their minds, after all, or to decide that someone has earned Their favor by showing devotion even when faced with a complete lack of response. What people call miracles do, in fact, happen. That we cannot always see the chain of events leading to them, nor know the reasoning behind their occurrence, in no way lessens their impact or importance.

So what to do if one cannot perceive any responses from the gods?

  • First of all, you need not have a “god phone” to honor any deity. I believe that They do hear us, every one of us, even if They do not respond. As difficult as it may be to endure, don’t let a lack of response keep you from giving your love and devotion to the gods, if you are so inclined. Even for those who do hear Them, faith is an important quality to cultivate; after all, it’s not as if the gods tell us everything, or never require us to figure things out on our own. Assuming it isn’t that you’ve made an unsuitable choice, honor the gods you want to honor and know that your worship is received in the spirit in which it is given (unless, of course, you receive a clear message to stop, via omens, dreams, or divination.)
  • Gods may speak to us via omens and auguries. Our surroundings may carry synchronous events that might have a great deal of meaning for those who train themselves to look. Pay attention to your environment, not just things like the behavior of birds and animals, but weather, unusual events, and random messages from other people who may be totally unaware of being the messengers of the gods. Ask Them if They can give you a sign that your prayers are heard. You may be surprised.
  • Divination, as noted above, is another way. If you cannot read Tarot cards or  runes, etc. for yourself, find someone who can, and ask them to interpret any messages on your behalf.
  • A seer, such as a Norse seidh-worker, or someone who serves as a “horse” (a spiritworker who becomes ritually possessed by a deity or spirit) might be able to allow you to interact directly with the deity through them, or at least, pass along messages or answers to your questions.
  • A priest or priestess of the god/dess in question can offer you more specific information as to what is most likely to get the deity’s attention or, conversely, how you can best give honor to the deity without a direct line of communication.
  • Read the primary sources of your tradition — poetry, songs, and sacred texts about the gods, written by the faithful who came before you. Find archaeological and historical studies by lay professionals which might give you more insight into the ways of the gods. Read what your contemporaries have written, too. In all cases, use your own judgment accordingly.
  • Finally, ask your own dead for guidance. Members of your (biological or adopted) bloodlines have the most vested interest in helping to get you where you need to be, and cultivating a relationship with them is, in many ways, even more important than worshiping any deities. If you can’t hear or understand your ancestors, seek help from a diviner or spiritworker.

Having said all of this, I should add that when someone comes to me wondering why the gods won’t answer their heartfelt prayers, and asks me what to do, my initial response is to feel sad…and a bit angry on their behalf. I wish I did know of a way to get Them to respond to all the people who so ardently love Them, and who want nothing more than to hear Them answer their prayers. I wish I had more satisfying answers than the above for those who wonder what makes people like me so special and why they don’t seem to be “good enough” to earn the privilege. I also realize that there may even be people who’ve read up to this point and are now upset that I’ve said any or all of these things, thinking, “Well, that’s all very well and good for you. How dare you condescend to the rest of us with your feeble advice!”

All I can say is that I understand. I do. I have had the attention and affection of Loki for about eight years now, and while I know now that He has always been around me, even when I was unaware of Him, I spent many years wondering whether the gods gave a damn about me or anybody else, for all that They seemed to care. In the days before the use of the Internet became widespread, it was even harder, as I lived in a very conservative area of the U.S. without many other Pagans around. I had little else to go by except for what I read in Green Egg and my few books, and the speculations that my friends and I made. I know what it’s like to put all of my energy into a ritual or a devotional act, only to hear ringing silence as a response. If nothing else, know that there’s someone out there who is fully aware of how lucky she is, and who remembers and understands.

As for those who are scoffing at the very idea of gods talking to anybody, least of all some nobody on a farm in New England, there isn’t anything I can say to convince you otherwise. I don’t know why They don’t talk to everyone, and it took a god actually speaking to me, with a voice I couldn’t ignore, for me to believe it, myself. In any case, even if you think I’m crazy, deluded, or lying my ass off, you should understand that this is very real for me, and that I feel it has been a gift and a blessing, even if at times it’s also been uncomfortable and difficult. That’s all the explanation I owe to anybody.

38 Responses to The Inequality Of Divine Communication

  1. First, let me just say that I don’t find myself offended or upset by anything you have said here. To me, you’re simply stating a reality — a reality that’s hard to accept, but a reality nonetheless.

    It’s something that I myself struggle with. Wondering if anything out there hears me: Cerridwen, Frigga, Loki and His wives, etc. Sometimes I have hope that They might be listening in every now and then. (At the very least, I’m pretty sure They are not *entirely* unaware of my existence.) Other times, I doubt it.

    Sometimes I want it (the reciprocation) so much that I’d be willing to endure “the Loki effect,” the obligations, the taboos, etc. just to have it. At other times, I wonder if it wouldn’t be better to give up any devotional practices I currently engage in, and quietly disappear into the spiritually-unengaged masses of society.

    I try to do things They would approve of — make offerings, honor my ancestors, care for my local land-wight, pick up trash in a local graveyard, clean house, and other such — in hopes that it might one day amount to something. Of course, I also hope to reach the point where these things eventually become their own reward.

    Although I may always be “godless” by fundamentalist Christian standards, I wonder if I’m also destined to be *truly* godless.

    • There are a lot of ways that one receives “reciprocation” besides having gods talk to you. Whether or not you ever hear anything back, doing the things you speak of doing IS its own reward. Being “godless” then becomes a choice.

      I’d say that, if one’s devotions aren’t answered with a clear sign that they are, in fact, unwelcome, honoring a deity or deities is never wasted. They do hear and notice, even if for whatever reason They don’t respond. I truly believe this, although I know it may be hard to accept.

      There were times, before Loki came along, where I despaired and thought that maybe I was wasting my time, but I think that if He hadn’t come along, I would’ve eventually found some way to have a religious life without that reassurance — which is a mixed blessing. Read Par Laegervist’s book “The Sibyl” for another view of how being god-touched can be a terrible thing for some people.

      Don’t give up.

  2. I appreciate you writing this post. It has helped bring some things I have been wondering into perspective.

    I was honoring Loki, doing daily devotions, leaving Him some food everytime I ate, read everything I could find on Him and truly felt He had chosen me. I could feel Him everywhere.

    After a while He requested that I burn some items of my previous religious affiliations in a fire to purify my mind and basically get off the fence. I did as He asked and I couldn’t quit laughing while I watched everything burn. I then went to my altar and offered Him some whiskey and cake and read a poem that I wrote for Him. After I finished the poem He told me that He came to do what needed to be done, that I was free and He was leaving. That’s about the last I have felt Loki or heard from Him.

    I know who I am now or maybe more importantly who I am not. He freed me from slavery and I am very grateful and humbled that He took the time to get me where I needed to be.

    • I’m glad to hear you had that experience, even thought it was short-lived and probably confusing when He left. But you seem to have gotten what you needed out of it, and that’s what counts, I guess :)

  3. Thank you for this. I’ve recently gone from hearing several deities on a fairly regular basis to almost total silence, and wasn’t able to figure out WHY. I’ve been able to find out details from some of them since then, and I’m not hurt and angry any more, but this post has REALLY helped me see the whole thing from a different perspective. I’m going to print it out and keep it where I can remind myself that there’s nothing wrong with me, but that everything has its time in the Great Cycle, and there are reasons for what the gods do or don’t do, we just don’t always know them.

    • Oh dear, I can’t imagine how hard that must have been! I would have been hurt and angry as well. Thus far I haven’t lost contact with Loki or the other gods I revere but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen someday for whatever reason, and although the thought terrifies me, I do have to prepare myself in case it ever does. I very much hope not.

      I’m glad to hear that you did at last get some details from Them, and I’m also glad that what I’ve said has helped you better understand your situation. Thanks for your kind words.

  4. I’m not exactly a person of deep experience here, but it seems to me that at least some of those seekers might be seeking for the wrong reason. They may want the attention of Diety so they can feel special, or so they can heal their abandonment issues with their human parents, or because they want Someone Else to take responsibility for their life so they don’t have to. They may even think that direct contact with Diety is the high to end all highs, and they want that pleasure. In any of these cases, the ensuing divine silence may have less to do with the lack of a god-phone than with the seeker’s unacknowledged need to work out their own issues in the Earthly realm.

    • Unfortunately, you’re probably right. I chose not to address that in the post, however, because it just creates ill-will to point this out in a general sense. I and others who do divination have had to gently tell people that no, the voices they are hearing are not gods or spirits, but “sock puppets” or wishful thinking. This is always hard to tell to someone who really wants their experience validated, and is met with a variety of responses.

      But yes, you are correct — a lack of response might very well to do with the person needing to work through their baggage first, before any divine contact is possible. That doesn’t mean one cannot offer worship or reverence, but that anything more than that might not happen until personal issues are resolved.

  5. Hi, thank you for writing this post. I have felt this way in the past myself, and so I related to those who feel saddened by it in their practice. Partially, I think I was approaching the gods in the same way I would have approached the christian God, in the way that was drilled in to me in Sunday school as a child. Getting deeper into my pagan practice, I realized I had to shed a lot of layers: to see myself as divine, to let go….before I could get there. Basically, my paradigm has to shift. Also, I had to deal with some mental illness and other things that were preventing me from diving deep into my practice. So, asking for relationship is not enough. At least for me, I had to heal MY relationship with spirituality, myself, etc.

    • It’s not always easy to understand what we might be doing “wrong” — even though I have a “god phone,” and a fairly reliable one, that still doesn’t absolve me of the responsibility to live my life. I struggled for a long time without knowing what Loki really wanted from me. It’s not that He didn’t tell me, but I didn’t really grasp what it meant, and I had to figure it out for myself in order to really understand. Sometimes the effort to get there is as meaningful as actually getting there.

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  7. I feel your point about having our time with the gods is very well made. I’ve experienced having Bastet in my life, and having Her move on. The hole was a bit like an owie tooth: one keeps probing, but one finds only pain.
    That pain, eventually, fades, giving way to a sense of gratitude: as well as the knowledge that one is never truly alone, even if the phone line appears to have been cut. I would be hard-put to say Who is keeping track of me at the moment, but having had the help when I needed it, I can go on by myself. Perhaps I am getting ready for Someone, Bastet or Someone Else, to enter my life again.
    To be alone always, however, and have no sense the you are watched over, must be very painful, particularly when the person desires greater communication.

    • “To be alone always, however, and have no sense the you are watched over, must be very painful, particularly when the person desires greater communication.”

      For some people, it is. However, I think it’s good to keep in mind that there are many ways of having relationships with deities, and many ways of being Pagan, that don’t necessarily depend on speaking with one’s gods directly. Faith is what makes the difference between feeling alone and feeling connected, after all. In this post, I was primarily speaking to people such as the two I mentioned who’d emailed me, who badly want the same kind of relationship I have with Loki, which is very specific. I didn’t address the many, many shades of gray in between “no contact” and “intense contact” because that’s wayyy beyond the scope of a blog post.

  8. I’m very grateful to have found this post. I’ve been going through a pretty crazy time with Loki suddenly flinging Himself into my life and causing the disenchantment between me and some friends. It comforts me to know that I’m really not doing anything wrong by listening to Him and taking to heart what He says to me.

    Thank you very much.

    • I’m glad the post has helped you. Have a care when dealing with Loki, however. I love Him very much, and a lot of what people say about Him is crap…but He does have a way of letting people make assumptions which aren’t necessarily accurate, and He’s not above occasionally trying to convince people to do stupid things, just to see how far He can push ‘em. Being a Lokean is to walk a fine line between trust and wariness at all times. Good luck.

      • Thank you for the warning and luck. (: I have become fairly aware of this, actually, especially with what He has been doing in regards of pushing me. Luckily, things have been working themselves out as of last night, so I think I’m actually doing a lot better than what I thought I was doing. Again, thanks. I will keep your words in mind.

  9. This in an excellent post. As a hard polytheist myself, I’ve had to have this conversation with others often. It can be heartbreaking.

  10. This post was very interesting to me. I’m not sure I can wrap my head around all of it though. If you’d be kind enough to answer some of my questions and hear my story I’d really appreciate it. As with your posting this comment is not intended to insult or upset anyone.

    All that having been said here’s my story. I grew up in a household where religion was not really a big deal. Basically my parents had their own beliefs but they also strongly believed that religion is deeply personal and never impressed upon me the need to be religious. So I never have been religious. I have never prayed, meditated, been to a ritual, been to a church service, etc. I can’t recall ever having done anything religious.

    Likewise I’ve never had what I, or others, would characterize as a spiritual experience. I’ve never found any personal value in being religious or even in having spiritual experiences. It’s just never been important to me. Now I’m not anti-religious, not by a long shot. I think it’s great when people enrich their lives in ways that are meaningful to them, and I’m glad people get something out of being religious.

    Now comes the part that might be offensive, even though it isn’t intended to be. I have been some what curious about religion for a number of year now. Not in a, hey I want to check that out for myself kind of way, I’m very comfortable with not being religious. I want even less to be a spiritual rubbernecker and intrude on what a lot of people consider to be, if not private, deeply personal.

    That having been said I find myself oddly compelled, please note I refrained from using the word called for a reason here, to learn as much as an outside observer can about religion. Specifically I find myself strongly compelled to study religions and spirituality that might fall under the Paganism/Polytheism/Animism umbrella. Again, I want to do so in as respectful a manner as is possible given the circumstances.

    Pursuant to this “compelling curiosity” I’ve found myself coming back to the blogs of self-identified hard polytheists again and again. I’ve been reading many posts by your colleagues in the Northern tradition and found myself reacting rather viscerally to the idea of God-ownership and related concepts.

    Frankly, if I may be honest, I can’t imagine a worse kind of hell. The idea of being grabbed up by a God or Spirit in the manner described seems to me more akin to rape than religion. Now I’ve never had the misfortune of being directly spoken to by a God and I’m very relieved by your perspective which seems as though it’s not quite so terrible as I imagined. Never the less, reading some material written by your colleagues about the Northern shamanic tradition I find myself recoiling in horror.

    Obviously I do not know, from personal experience, what they went through and I hope I never do. I still cannot help myself but wondering if a life of suffering and a terrible death would not be better than living a life enslaved to a being who seems to care no more for its worshipers than a human typically does for an insect. Even a best case scenario seems to end up with these poor people having their lives and well being dictated to them by the whims of Whoever happens to pull them up. I cannot for the life of me understand what joy or blessing could come out of such a relationship.

    This brings me to my questions.

    Why are the Gods considered worthy of worship? Have I just completely missed the mark on Their character and personality? What can I do, I fear the answer being nothing, to ensure I never have interactions with Them or any other Spirit?

    On a related matter, why do I still feel compelled to understand the religions that revolve around these Beings? Is there something wrong with me? I feel on the one hand like I should be running away from all of this as fast as I possibly can and just accepting that I’ll have to live the rest of my life in fear of being called by Them. If it’s anything like what I imagine I think I’d rather die.

    Again I don’t say this to insult or upset anyone, but I need relief and I’m not sure who else to turn to. I’m looking to put my mind at ease and hopefully rid myself of this compulsion to continue researching these religions. I apologize to any and everyone I offend with this comment and am grateful to any answers and/or help offered.

    • I’m not insulted by anything you’ve said. Your sentiments have been echoed by both believers and non-believers before. Scroll back a few pages on this blog and you’ll find a post with a couple of links to essays by Pagans with wildly differing opinions on it, which may help you better understand the variety of opinion which exists around this issue within the polytheistic, Pagan community. There isn’t any sort of consensus, by any means.

      Now, to try and answer your questions:

      “Why are the Gods considered worthy of worship? Have I just completely missed the mark on Their character and personality?”

      I can’t answer the first question on behalf of all other Pagans, because I don’t know why other people consider their gods worthy of worship. Nor can I make speculations about “Their character and personality” because (as the whole point of being a hard polytheist is), I believe They are all different, have different reasons for doing whatever They do, and treat us as individuals. So i can’t really make any sweeping statements that apply to all gods and all people, as far as why one might choose to worship Them, and what They are like.

      I know why I consider my gods worthy of worship, however. It’s because, to me, They are wiser, more powerful, and more far-seeing than I am. They are closer to that ineffable Something that underlies all creation — not that we, as humans, don’t partake in that Something as well, but the gods are closer to it, and have more of it in Them than we mortals do. I don’t know if that makes sense.

      I worship Loki and the rest of my gods because They have proven to me, to my own satisfaction, that They exist, and that They care, to some extent, about the well-being of those who give Them sincere honor. They care about this world, and want to help us make it better. Loki, in particular, has treated me with consideration and love, even though sometimes it’s difficult to understand why He does the things He does. I don’t feel that I have been treated unfairly, abused, misused, or am enslaved unwillingly. My gods are my friends, my mentors, my role models, and my comfort. They are as family to me. Some Heathens refer to the gods, collectively, as their “Elder Kin,” and this is how I see Them as well.

      This relationship wouldn’t have been possible, for me, without the ability to hear Their voices. That doesn’t mean I don’t believe it’s possible for others, but that things is how things turned out for me. I worship (I prefer to use “honor” or “revere”, actually) my gods because that is how I feel compelled to show my love and appreciation of Their gifts, and my respect and awe at Their generosity and might. I don’t see Them as infallible, however, nor as omniscient or omnipotent. They are not as far removed from me, or from the mortal realm, as the Christian god often seems. That makes it easier for me to think of Them as real, and experience Them in a way that has erased my fear of Them. However, I cannot say that this approach is commonplace, or that all hard polytheists share my POV. It’s just how and why I honor the gods.

      “What can I do, I fear the answer being nothing, to ensure I never have interactions with Them or any other Spirit?”

      Well, nothing. But the thing is, I happen to believe that there are laws (set by whom,. I do not know) that prevent the gods from just nabbing anybody. A friend of mine calls it the “lawful prey” concept — if you are not lawful prey, They probably can’t just come along and grab you up. As to what defines lawful prey, it might be a number of things: past life connections, oaths, family obligations (some of these can go WAY back when), reasons I’m not even aware of.

      And there is a big difference between hearing or talking to gods, and being “owned” by Them, just like talking to an attractive person in a bar doesn’t automatically make them your spouse. People can hear the gods, worship Them, and spend their lives devoted to Them without being tied to the gods by oath or obligation. It’s not an either/or situation. There are a lot of ways to be religious without being bound by duty, oath, or obligation to do the bidding of a deity or spirit. The bottom line is that most people DO have a choice as to how far their interactions will go, but the fact that some apparently do not, or think that they do not, does not invalidate either their experience or the experiences of those who don’t.

      I suggest you check out some of the literature about shamanic initiation from anthropological sources., and the writings of indigenous people, for whom shamanic “ownership” by the spirits is a real phenomenon that happens, but which is commonly understood not to be an ordinary thing that happens to everyone. It might make you feel better about things. If one day a god or spirit turns up and lays claim to you, well…at least you’ll know you aren’t alone. And if it never happens, you could consider it an educational foray into one of the many ways modern Pagans experience the world of the unseen.

      “On a related matter, why do I still feel compelled to understand the religions that revolve around these Beings? Is there something wrong with me? I feel on the one hand like I should be running away from all of this as fast as I possibly can and just accepting that I’ll have to live the rest of my life in fear of being called by Them. If it’s anything like what I imagine I think I’d rather die.”

      I can’t answer that first question. I don’t know you or your history well enough. I doubt there’s anything wrong with you, though. Regardless of one’s upbringing, I consider it healthy to understand religious viewpoints which aren’t like what one is familiar with. In fact, I’d say that the refusal to do so is what drives a lot of hostility and conflict between various religious people. Appreciating that someone else’s point of view differs isn’t the same thing as agreeing with it or adopting it.

      *sigh* I probably shouldn’t say this, since it sounds as if I’m dissing some of my friends, but in hindsight, I regret that the concept of god-slavery has become something of an expected norm for people dealing directly with the gods. That’s not what happens to most people, and it doesn’t mean that either the god-slaves or those who aren’t are wrong or having an invalid experience. But more and more, it seems that the popular idea is if a god or spirit talks to you and wants to foster a relationship, it MUST mean that you’re a slave, you’re a shaman, you have to horse deities and you’re meant to do shamanic work and blah blah blah.

      That’s bullshit. Not everyone is called to do those things. Most people aren’t even “wired” for that kind of stuff. I wasn’t called to become a shaman, I don’t “horse,” and it took me years to understand that, because the only model I had before me for someone in my position, at the time, was someone who very definitely is what he says he is — a god-owned shaman with a great many religious taboos surrounding his day-to-day existence. But I’m not a shaman, and my relationship with Loki and Hela is wildly different from his. I just wish that he, good friend that he is, was not taken by so many people as the standard by which everyone else’s relationships with their gods needs to be measured, particularly since his paradigm of master/slave relationship is largely based in the kink world, and while it works for him, it’s not applicable to all of us. Maybe I need to make an entire post about this.

      The upshot is that I’d hate for you to fear the gods so much that it drives you away from learning about Them. Yes, They are terrible and can be scary. Yes, sometimes They claim folks, but of all the people I know who’ve been thus claimed (and I know a lot), I can count those who truly regret it on the fingers of one hand. And yes, sometimes the way They treat us is unfair — but that’s what we have to expect if we approach Them as individuals, and allow Them to treat us the same way. All in all, I love my gods, and don’t feel that the things They have asked of me are terrible or onerous, given the many blessings I have received in return. I am willing to give Loki and Hela what is asked of me, since They have given me a lot more. Again, others’ mileage may and probably does vary, but as always, I can only speak from my own experience.

      If you’d like to discuss these things further, please feel free to email me privately. Good luck in your search, and blessings.

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  12. “I regret that the concept of god-slavery has become something of an expected norm for people dealing directly with the gods. [...] Maybe I need to make an entire post about this.”

    Yes, please. :) It would nice to have a one-click-link to which I could direct the sardonic, the sanctimonious, and the Millerianly hysterical.

  13. There’s something to be said about how sensitive..well..Sensitives are, as well. Yes, there is a distinctly egalitarian “you can do ANYTHING, no one is unequal” in pagan society. I think a lot of people need the wake up call that no, not everyone is created equal, in terms of abilities. They need to play to their strengths, instead of being white washed into something carbon-copied. Humans are different, unique, and wonderful creations. We are strong because of how we function together, how all the interlocking parts can compliment each other and lead to significant interaction, as well as how we are alone and forced to rely on our own strengths.

    We also, well, need to believe in ourselves as much as in a higher power. I sort of liken it to pitching some creative work. While you do not (should not) boast, having confidence and a sense of self is what will attract attention. I am reminded of a guide to writing/drawing I read, where the author recounts one of his first professional convention experiences. Published in a compendium with a number of other (big) authors, one had drawn interest only to be rebuffed by the author’s insecurity and statements of “it’s not that good”. Self-realization is an attractive prospect in anyone.

    I know as well as anyone what it is like to be cut off, set adrift. I’m into the more “mystical woo” stuff than devotional work. It’s what I feel more comfortable doing, and I can relate to it more. But I’m a solitary, and to date I have only had dialogue with ONE God in a dream-journey. Unwillingly. I know that half the reason why I can’t seem to get conversation going with ANYTHING off of this plane is because of my stress, my depression, and my general self-effacing personality. They are significant character flaws that I’m plagued with, and I don’t think less of anyone for not dealing with me because of them, especially anything higher up.

    And I think a lot of people want to experience this simply because they want to be special, not because they’re called, too. Regardless of whether they know it or not, or no-matter how deeply they’ve buried it and made them believe that there are other reasons.

    But you know this. You’ve had to deal with me. :P

    • “They are significant character flaws that I’m plagued with, and I don’t think less of anyone for not dealing with me because of them, especially anything higher up.”

      While I’m not going to claim that I know All About Why The Gods Do X or Y, I also don’t believe that it’s your character flaws that keep you from having more intense experiences with the spirits. All of the spiritworkers I know, including me, have our own flaws: pride, egotism, vanity, envy, self-righteousness, and yes, even insecurity and a tendency to depression. It’s not a question of being “good enough” for the gods; if that were the case, I doubt that They would talk to ANY of us, since everyone has their weaknesses. That’s just part of being human. If They wanted flawlessness, They wouldn’t deal with us at all, I feel.

      As for wanting to be seen by others as special, well, even people who ARE called still fall prey to that folly. There’s a reason that rivalry and jealousy exist among spiritworkers. Being called by the gods doesn’t magically erase your weaknesses, ego, or issues; on the contrary, it tends to throw them into sharp relief where everybody can see them, including yourself, and thus forces you to deal with them, sometimes in embarrassingly public ways.

      That’s also part of what makes all this so hard to accept — that people we might consider more worthy, for whatever reasons, often are not the ones who end up among those whom They choose to do Their work in this world. The gods have Their own reasons, which often don’t make sense to us, even those of us who hear Their voices regularly. If I knew why Loki does half the things He does, I’d be a much wiser person…possibly a much crazier one.

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  15. I love your article!. I have been a Lokean for about 3 years now, it has been a interesting journey thus far. He is the one god i connect with the most in my practice (Saxon Heathenism) even though he isn’t recognized by the Saxons or considered Wanic at all, i still love him and worship him as my patron. Thank you for writing your article as well because i have been in the position of not knowing with whom i was connected too and i so wanted to connect to the divine!, then i got bonked literally over the head by him and it has changed me forever.

  16. This talk about gods not necessarily choosing us because of our fine qualities made me think of an old realizations I had.

    I realized that I don’t choose lovers and friends because I like their qualities. I mean, it’s a factor for sure, but it’s not the main one. Everyone likes qualities. How could you choose between people who all have a bunch of nice qualities? I don’t think that’s how we do it.

    We choose people whose flaws we like.

    I mean, if we spend any amount of time with them, we experience their qualities as well as their flaws. Qualities are easy to live with, it’s the flaws that can be hard to take. So we choose people whose flaws we don’t mind, or actually enjoy.

    If you like to be challenged in your beliefs, you might prefer someone loud and opinionated. If you like to have the final word, maybe someone with low self esteem will be better. Maybe you like to help people, so you surround yourself with people who have problems.

    So I suspect that Gods choose us at least as much for our flaws (the ones they like best) as they do for our qualities. Sometimes, that means They pick those who are Their opposites, say, Thor picking a very shy person. Sometimes it’s those that are like them, like Odin picking someone who’s bold, adventurous and likes being in charge, to hone them.

    I’ve noticed devotees often honor gods who are like them, but better at it, or their complete opposite. I honor Loki because I recognize myself in Him. I honor Sigyn because she has many qualities I’m lacking and wish to learn.

    I’m sure it’s more complex than that, but it’s a thought.

    • “I’ve noticed devotees often honor gods who are like them, but better at it, or their complete opposite. I honor Loki because I recognize myself in Him. I honor Sigyn because she has many qualities I’m lacking and wish to learn.”

      Yeah. I agree with what you’ve said here; it’s a good point to keep in mind.

  17. Dearest friends….

    May i please share a hope to all of you who feel left out or disapointed by failing to receive a communication with Divine.
    Please, you should know that we are All equally being loved by the Divine, they are always reaching out to us, extending their loving messages to us All equally.
    Some of us still did not learn how to percieve them . That does not say they are not there..
    My heartfelt advice to us all is we make a step inward, calm down and listen to silence, be one with the stillness and eventually all our questions will unfold in our hearts as Love and Light our one Creator is..
    May we all gather in the heart of our sacred Home soon:)))
    Love you all so much, Željka

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  19. I really liked your post. While I follow the Greco Roman pantheon (my patron is Hermes/Mercury), I found many words of wisdom from your post. I recently started following the posts by other pagans on tumblr, because if for nothing else, they remind me that there ARE other pagans out there. Reading these posts has helped me look at myself as well as expose myself to the musings of others and their pantheons. Please keep posting!

    • Thanks for reading. I’m glad you liked what I wrote :) The blog has been around since October of 2008, and I don’t have any plans to stop posting here yet.

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