She’s Having A Go At Other Lokeans Again

I’d much rather write about safer topics like poetry and how to evolve a monastic discipline. But I promised a friend I’d say this, and I feel as if I owe it to Himself in a way, too. So here goes.

These days, I don’t hang around places where Lokeans tend to congregate in large numbers. I deactivated my Facebook account some time ago, my LiveJournal participation is sporadic, and I don’t belong to many email lists or web forums. I also don’t make a point of reading every single Lokean blog or Tumblr out there. Because of all this, I don’t have a handle on what’s going on where, or who is saying what. But I’d begun to notice something disturbing, although at first I didn’t have the time or inclination to investigate it myself. I didn’t have to, as it turned out. The issue came to me.

It started with Myrkr’s post about Lokean god-spouses, and while I respectfully disagreed with much of what she said, I did agree in my comment that one of the ideas she’d been hearing lately was, as I put it, “bullshit.” I also noticed that Dver, in her recent post about discernment for god-spouses, made an aside specifically mentioning Lokeans. Occasionally, people would make comments in their communications to me which I found mystifying, as if they thought I was judging them for not being in the same sort of role, spiritually speaking, as I am. And then the other day, another Lokean, who keeps their finger in more community pies than I do, emailed me saying that folks have been contacting them privately and expressing dismay over this same idea, which is apparently being bandied about more and more in online circles where Lokeans hang out. I did some poking around and found that others, too, have apparently heard these rumblings. And that clinched it.

Make no mistake; I’m pretty pissed off about this, and that it even has to be said at all is both shameful and ludicrous. I actually have little hope that the people who really need to read this actually will, or that even if they do, it’ll make them pause and think about what sort of image they’re projecting. But I hope that others might read it and feel reassured that there is not, in fact, something wrong with them.

Here’s the thing:

Being a spouse of Loki does not make you special.

It does not mean that Loki loves you more than He does His other folk. It does not make you wiser or more competent than any other damn fool who has the good (or ill) fortune to draw His attention. It damn sure doesn’t give you the right to determine who is and isn’t truly one of His people. I know all of these things for a fact, from personal experience, because I had to learn from my own mistakes.

Furthermore, no one — I repeat, no one —  is obligated to make a lifelong oath to serve Him, and/or to become His wife, husband, lover, or fuck-buddy, in order to show Him honor, love, respect, or reverence.

Many people view Loki as a friend, an uncle, a brother, a father, even a sort of comrade-in arms. I know one Lokean whom He has referred to as “cousin,” and another who is a child of Loki, and who would find a spousal relationship with Him weird and unnatural. I know still others who haven’t troubled to define their relationship with Him. In fact, people can worship Him from a distance and still be Lokeans. People can even be not very religious at all and yet be Loki’s folk (though admittedly, that’s somewhat more difficult to pull off). The point is that they’re as much Loki’s own as anybody else who claims to be His consort or lover. Nobody but Loki, and the individual in question, gets to decide whether or not someone is His. This means you, too.

“There are many ways to kneel and kiss the ground” is a saying I’m really fond of, because it happens to be true. No god wants only one kind of worshiper — saying that Loki only wants spouses is like saying that Odin only wants warriors, or that Aphrodite only wants sacred whores, or that nobody who isn’t a sailor or fisherman may worship a sea deity. There are plenty of people out there who will tell you otherwise on all counts. And not all gods expect a lifelong, oathbound commitment from every single one of Their people. In fact, my experience and observation, as well as that of many of my friends, rather points to the opposite: people who choose to, or are asked to, bind themselves to a god or goddess via a life-oath are in the minority, rather than being the norm. (And that still doesn’t make us special. It just makes us more tired.)

I don’t know where this ridiculous notion came from, but for the love of the Holy Ones, people need to stop spreading the idea that only those willing to oath themselves to Loki can worship Him or call themselves Lokeans. If you’ve been telling others that it’s impossible for anybody to love or be loved by Loki without a marriage-oath, you should shut the fuck up right now and think about what you’re saying, and also consider all the people — many of whom have honored Him for far longer than you probably have — whom you’re dismissing, ignoring, and maybe even hurting by spreading this garbage.

If you are a Lokean god-spouse, by all means, enjoy it and Him, but also remember that you are the consort of a deity. He’s a god, for crying out loud, not the cool guy from that Thor movie or your own personal version of Drop Dead Fred. Don’t give those who hate both Him and His folk any more cause to insult His judgment, worth, or divine status by treating His other folk as if they don’t matter as much to Loki or cannot possibly understand Him like you do. Because I guarantee you, no matter how devoted you think you are, how much you love Him, or how often you talk to Him, there are things you don’t know or understand about Loki that other people do. Try to learn from them instead of invalidating their experiences. It’s worth it. I know this from experience, too.

I love Loki, and I want Him to be loved by as many people as are willing to love Him. And love comes in a myriad of forms, intensities, and expressions. It’s not my place to judge other people’s relationships with Him, and I am not worthy of determining whose love is more valid, meaningful or heartfelt. Neither are you.

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27 Responses to She’s Having A Go At Other Lokeans Again

  1. “I love Loki, and I want Him to be loved by as many people as are willing to love Him.”

    Would that we could all keep that in mind when we’re talking to others about Him on or offline, no matter what the context. I think we’d all be better behaved, as opposed to trying to pull rank or flyting, etc.

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  3. No god wants only one kind of worshiper

    Absolutely. This is definitely something to remember, especially for those who ARE called to an intense relationship with a deity. It can lead one to start being dismissive of all the other types, or the more casual worshippers, but that is a mistake. I was corrected on this exact thing by Dionysos several years ago, when He caught me being a little dismissive of some folks who were doing some perfectly decent revelling for Him without a whole lot of depth. He *likes* a good revel in His name, regardless. He gets something out of those who only worship Him occasionally, or only in one certain way, and even the ones who will never get past His masks. They all have a place. (And in fact, this lesson ended up being more personally relevant for me, as my relationship with Him changed quite a bit over the last five years and I needed to know that whatever it ended up being, it was sacred.)

    • I think that, in the flush of excitement that comes with forging a new and intense relationship with a deity, it’s understandable for people to get a bit carried way. I did, and I too began to be somewhat dismissive of others’ relationships with Himself. I wouldn’t be surprised if others did as well. However, I don’t believe I ever exhibited the same level of contempt for others with different relationships to Loki as some people seem to be doing. Nor would I ever have dreamed of telling anybody that in order to be a “real” Lokean, they needed to marry Him. That’s just inexcusable.

  4. Well said, and applicable to all deity relationships.

    (And that still doesn’t make us special. It just makes us more tired.)
    So. Very. True. *thud*

    • The common consensus among the god-touched people I know is that it’s less about being admired and sought-after for advice, and more about work, and lots of it ;)

  5. You are doing necessary work. here. The social-mammal desire to feel superior to others is, in my opinion, as powerful as lust but more dangerous. It will use anything, destroy any community and undermine an infinite number of relationships. It can’t be stopped any more than lust can, so its misuse has to be called out and denounced whenever it begins to leave its appropriate place (in our drive to achieve) and become a force of destruction. I’m not a Lokean, but I know this much about community and I applaud you for doing the dirty work that is sometimes necessary to protect yours.

  6. I don’t engage in any online Lokean hang-outs, and this is part of the reason. I have been told that if Loki really loved me, He’d marry me.

    The idea of being married to Him does, in fact, weird me out. He’s my Dad. And my UPG is that this fact is *literally* true, in that He did things to me in vitro to fuck with my genetic lineage. But I don’t go around pissing on those who don’t claim that level of “closeness” with Him. In fact, I usually end up silent – first of all, claiming a God’s bloodline sounds like you think you’re half-God, which I do not. Secondly, the field is so saturated with consorts and wives/husbands, and I’ve had some of them try to be my “mother”. Sorry, but that’s not going to work, especially if you’re 18 and I’m 37. I have a wonderful mother whom I wouldn’t trade for the world, and His Fancypants has told me that if I were to have a mother other than her, it’d be Angrboda.

    Lastly, I feel like many of the Lokeans I have met, consorts/spouses or not, only give more credence to those who dismiss or hate Him, and forbid hailing Him. We’re not the cool kids in the corner wearing leather jackets and listening to our “Rock And Roll Music”, and we should stop acting that way. I bet if we acted like normal human beings (and stopped using His name as an excuse for terrible behavior) things might actually change.

    • I was thinking of you when I wrote this post, as one of the people whose relationship with Himself is as intense and colorful as any spouse of His that I know :)

      “I have been told that if Loki really loved me, He’d marry me.”

      This is exactly the kind of crap I am determined to call bullshit on whenever I run into it.

  7. :standing ovation:

    Nobody in the community has ever come out and told me outright that to be a Lokean I have to and/or should be some kind of godspouse. But I’ve seen the subtext there, and it’s distressing to me, that having a different sort of devotion makes me less real or less sincere. Doubly so because while I have a life-oath of fulltrui, I fall into the category where my relationship with him is something more analogous to that of a blood relative, and trying to slip into a godspouse mould (just because I feel insecure, no less) would be pretty uncomfortable for both of us. (Though I don’t think I’m that person you reference.)

    Ran into comparable difficulties recently with a guy who told me that because I’m not choosing to get over my trauma with massive, dramatic ordeal work I must not clearly have a real relationship with Angrboda, Mordgud, etc. As the kids say, lolwut?

    I’ve found it really, really refreshing these days to get the hel out of the Lokean community and cross-pollinate. Other communities have their flaws, to be sure, but it gets me away from the specifically Lokean-flavored crazy, which I think tweaks at my insecurities like nothing else.

    • “Ran into comparable difficulties recently with a guy who told me that because I’m not choosing to get over my trauma with massive, dramatic ordeal work I must not clearly have a real relationship with Angrboda, Mordgud, etc.”

      That is such a giant, steaming load of bullshit, I don’t even know where to start.

      Actually, I do. Ordeal work is about spiritual growth, not proving what a badass you are, and it’s just one of several paths to that end. I don’t do it — it wouldn’t work for me, as I don’t get spiritual highs from experiencing pain — and it is not some yardstick by which to measure who’s more legit than anyone else. Nobody needs to do ordeal work in order to have a relationships with ANY deity, and ordeal workers are not more enlightened than the rest of us. They’re just kinkier :P

      I also don’t engage in ritual deity possession, which is another thing people seem to misunderstand and abuse a lot lately — it’s not about proving how connected you are, and it’s not something people get to decide to do whenever they feel like it. Gods aren’t just sitting around waiting to be horsed. THEY decide when and who They want to ride, not us, and They always have a reason for it. They don’t just do it for shits and giggles.

      Despite sharing a household with someone who’s considered Mr. Badass Northern Tradition Shaman, despite all the sordid things my kindred is rumored to have done, despite loving and revering several deities people think are Big, Bad, and Evil, and despite the checkered image that Lokeans share just by virtue of who we worship…I have probably the most wholesome lifestyle of anybody I know. I don’t drink, smoke, take drugs, or engage in casual sex…or really, any sex at all, outside of my marriage. I eat wholesome food, buy almost all my clothing secondhand, and spend most of my days doing household chores, praying, and writing. I don’t engage in ordeal work and my participation in the kink community is limiting to socializing, non-sexually, with a lot of people involved in it. I’m a freaking Puritan, and yet, I still manage to lead a life of deep religious commitment, devotion to my gods, and service to my community.

      In short, being an edgy, alternative lifestyle-leading badass isn’t a requirement for being a devotee of the Norse gods. It isn’t even a requirement for being a god-spouse or a spiritworker or a priest. And I’ll argue until I’m blue in the face with anybody who says otherwise (see how I’ve ranted here?) I AM SO SICK OF THIS CRAP. And I’m sorry that you and other people have to listen to it from insecure, petty, jealous people who are too insecure to find meaning in their own lives and need to tear down other people’s in order to feel good about their spirituality.

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  10. Well said! I’d venture to say this goes for many deities, if not all.

    I think some people see the spouse thing as a sign of rank or achievement. It’s not. It’s one mode of approaching the god/the god approaching you. It’s the frame of the relationship, if you will.

    • Exactly! It’s like any other devotional relationship — you have to work at it just as much as if you were in some other role.

      • I think perhaps therein lies the misconception.

        A lot of people think that marriages in general that require work are wrong somehow. That they are less ‘true love’ than relationships that ‘just work’. A lot of people get over this by thinking that ‘well, X is only human and thus, I have to expect it will require work’. This logic doesn’t work for deities, though.

        Maybe people think if you’re married to a god, it is somehow:
        a) less demanding than a marriage to a mortal, because aforementioned deity is more powerful than you and can, if they please, use your brain like their living room so maybe you don’t have to articulate your thoughts as much as you would with a mortal spouse?

        b) that your god loving you means you don’t need to work hard at things like being able to hear them and so on, because why would your beloved sit and watch you suffer? Surely they’d let you take the shortcut to the spiritual closeness..?

        c) always and automatically a Good Idea, regardless of who you are and regardless of the deity in question. After all, if a *god* is suggesting marriage, it must automatically be perfect for you, because gods don’t make mistakes.

        Aside from all that, I think it’s also possible to hear about some of the relationships that people have with their gods and feel a twinge of ‘I want something like this from my life and my gods’ and not always realise *which part of that* it is that’s calling to you. Is it the deity in question? Is it the style of the relationship? Is it just something about the love with which the devotee speaks of their god? It can be hard to tell sometimes – I’ve had a bit of trial and error on that front, myself.

        There. Think I’m done ranting now.

        • Ranty or not, your first three points pretty accurately describe a lot of the unfounded assumptions people are likely to make. I’d also throw in the fact that, for various reasons, some gods aren’t always 100% honest with Their folk, even those who mean a lot to Them *sigh* We Lokeans know that; I’m sure there are others who can say the same.

          “I think it’s also possible to hear about some of the relationships that people have with their gods and feel a twinge of ‘I want something like this from my life and my gods’ and not always realise ‘which part of that’ it is that’s calling to you.”

          This, especially, rings true to me. Compounding the problem is that there are so many god-spouses (especially Loki’s) writing about their experiences now, versus people with other kinds of relationships. I don’t think that those of us with this sort of dynamic need to stop talking about it, necessarily, but that perhaps others should speak up more often, and show those who are seeking that there is more than one way to approach and become close to the Holy Ones.

  11. Thanks for this. I’ve just barely poked my toe out of various Gods-related closets, and while I’m no longer afraid of people in my life disappearing as a result (I’m generally glad to be rid of those who have), there are a lot of sentiments that I don’t yet have my own words for. Now, if some of those come up, I’ll know where to point them.

    Of course, being yet another of Loki’s folk, never mind one of His multitude of spouses/lovers, can complicate matters for someone very new to anything related to the Northern Tradition and kind of taking baby steps in finding supportive community. (Being a stubborn Scorpio, I still consider myself simply a solitary witch who loves my Deities, despite the vast majority of my religious education and all of my worship being in the Norse pantheon for over a year now.) I was lucky as far as having no preconceptions about Them when I met Hela and Loki, but it’s quickly obvious to anyone with a brain how inherently controversial it can be to work closely with Them and be open about it.

    It frustrates me, personally and on Their behalf, that people can be such presumptuous jackasses and do it in Their names.

    • “It frustrates me, personally and on Their behalf, that people can be such presumptuous jackasses and do it in Their names.”

      Personally, I think the gods have better things to do than pay attention to *most* of the crappy behavior done in Their names, but I know what you mean. It frustrates me too.

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